Comments on: Kirbyjon Caldwell at the Gathering http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741 We've Come A Long Way... Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:41:59 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: joan http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741&cpage=1#comment-7762 joan Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:44:59 +0000 http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741#comment-7762 at Westburyumc we've been meditating and discussing what is special about Westbury and how God wants to use that. I've also been reading McClauren's book EVERYTHING MUST CHANGE, which talks at one point about colonialism mentality in the church. That the white man gives the enlightment and the foreign nation people are the beneficiaries. Maybe we can now see that whites must learn some things from black americans and Christians in foreign lands, and celebrate that. at Westburyumc we’ve been meditating and discussing what is special about Westbury and how God wants to use that. I’ve also been reading McClauren’s book EVERYTHING MUST CHANGE, which talks at one point about colonialism mentality in the church. That the white man gives the enlightment and the foreign nation people are the beneficiaries.
Maybe we can now see that whites must learn some things from black americans and Christians in foreign lands, and celebrate that.

]]> By: ryan http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741&cpage=1#comment-7641 ryan Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:01:19 +0000 http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741#comment-7641 Indeed words upon which to meditate and consider. As a younger member of the clergy, I feel that God might indeed be doing something new, or at least something different. Carl, I appreciate your comments, but I don't know if things are quite as absolutist as you say. Perhaps there is one, or some who would be willing to shuck off the empty husks of modernity and it's institutional strictures in our current organisation, and shift to the leadership of the Spirit? Perhaps? As I type I am beginning to wonder if 'perhaps?' might be the greatest question we can ask in these times. Indeed words upon which to meditate and consider. As a younger member of the clergy, I feel that God might indeed be doing something new, or at least something different.

Carl,
I appreciate your comments, but I don’t know if things are quite as absolutist as you say. Perhaps there is one, or some who would be willing to shuck off the empty husks of modernity and it’s institutional strictures in our current organisation, and shift to the leadership of the Spirit? Perhaps? As I type I am beginning to wonder if ‘perhaps?’ might be the greatest question we can ask in these times.

]]> By: Carl Freeto http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741&cpage=1#comment-7620 Carl Freeto Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:07:21 +0000 http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741#comment-7620 I agree about incremental change...but NO ONE wants to address the overarching issues of bureaucracy, guaranteed appointments and the fact that it probably is too late for anything short of massive shifts away for horizontal structure and toward vertical forms of governance. With our form of church structure, we cannot make the kinds of change required to meet a new age with a vital message of Good News. We have tons of experts making great money, but few witnesses to the transforming power of a loving Christ. I fear we are finished as a denomination. I wonder if we need to consider how we might die well? That is, can we witness to our faith in Jesus in our dying? Repentance means turning from our present ways, instead Bishops blame lay folks and lay folks blame bishops...meanwhile no one repents. I agree about incremental change…but NO ONE wants to address the overarching issues of bureaucracy, guaranteed appointments and the fact that it probably is too late for anything short of massive shifts away for horizontal structure and toward vertical forms of governance. With our form of church structure, we cannot make the kinds of change required to meet a new age with a vital message of Good News. We have tons of experts making great money, but few witnesses to the transforming power of a loving Christ. I fear we are finished as a denomination. I wonder if we need to consider how we might die well? That is, can we witness to our faith in Jesus in our dying? Repentance means turning from our present ways, instead Bishops blame lay folks and lay folks blame bishops…meanwhile no one repents.

]]> By: rheyduck http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741&cpage=1#comment-7577 rheyduck Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:33:01 +0000 http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741#comment-7577 My guess of what he meant was that Jesus offers salvation to all people, not just a few select groups. My guess of what he meant was that Jesus offers salvation to all people, not just a few select groups.

]]> By: Deirdre http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741&cpage=1#comment-7576 Deirdre Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:26:35 +0000 http://sequimur.com/banditsnomore/?p=741#comment-7576 QUESTION: Please explain the term, "Gospel of Universal Redemption". Is it like the Gospel of Inclusions? QUESTION:
Please explain the term, “Gospel of Universal Redemption”. Is it like the Gospel of Inclusions?

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