Bandits No More

May 4, 2010

Avoiding Fame

Filed under: Culture,Spirituality,Worship — rheyduck @ 7:15 pm

Have you read the Miley Cyrus quote in the recent Christianity Today:

“My faith is very important to me. But I don’t necessarily define my faith by going to church every Sunday. Because now when I go to church, I feel like it’s a show.”

Perhaps you’re thinking something like, “Church sure has come a long way in the past generation. In the old days we’d go to church, sit quietly in our pews, listen to the organ music, stand up for the hymns, listen to a sermon, shake some hands, and then go home. Now they have stages, bands, lights and fancy electronics. It’s just a show.” That would certainly be one possible contextualization of the quote. If we want to get young folks like Miley Cyrus in our churches, so we would then reason, we need to get rid of the show, and get back to the basics. We need simple traditional worship, instead of the Show.

But in the original context (thanks to my wife for pointing this out), immediately after the quote, she adds, “There are always cameras outside.” With this addition we see that the Show she’s speaking of is not inside the church, but outside. The problem here (might be elsewhere) is not that worship has become a show, but that her fame and the way fame works in our culture ensure that there is a show wherever she goes in public. If I were the pastor of her church I would see this is a problem also: How do we engage in worship of Jesus  when someone with so much more star power, by our reckoning at least, is in our midst, someone who generates more obvious adoration?

One solution is to stop acting on the fame of the people around us. If we become hardened, apathetic or indifferent to the fame of others, we might find ourselves in a place where we can worship and adore Jesus even if Miley  Cyrus (or President Obama or any other famous people) are present.

That solution, however, won’t be much help to Miley Cyrus, at least not in the short term. Some few folks might succeed in turning from the allure of fame, but surely such a move will be a stretch for the multitudes, especially for those who enjoy it so much. The other solution would be for Miley Cyrus and others to avoid the affliction of fame on their side. Given our way of doing things, sounds pretty unlikely, doesn’t it?

When we consider the benefits of fame – the adoring crowds, the plentiful money – why would anyone want to avoid fame? I can imagine that the Christian, the follower of Jesus, might want to avoid fame so she or he would not be isolated from life in the Body of Christ. If salvation is only going to heaven when we die (or, as some put it, “Pie in the Sky, by and by), then we can get by without the Body of Christ. But when we read the New Testament, we see that life together as worshipers, followers, and lovers of Jesus, able to stand each other because we’ve been reconciled through his blood, is part of  salvation itself. Church – taken as the life of the saints lived together here and now – is part of what the bible means by salvation. Therefore, when we have a fame system, we not only hurt the church by the possible substitution of idols for Jesus, but we also keep people away – or build fences to keep ourselves away.

August 17, 2009

Wanting It

Filed under: Evangelism,Worship,church growth — rheyduck @ 7:10 pm

Dan Dick has another good post at United Methodeviations. Talking about growing a church, he observes that mainline churches tend to go after the same group of people over and over again. We have trouble moving beyond the middle class folks just like us. He identifies other populations we should consider if we really want to grow our churches.

The first group, those of lower income and tending to have less in the way of formal education, are the primary group of non-church folk we have around here. We do a really poor job reaching them. Dick observes that churches in general are sometimes willing to do ministry to them, but since they have little to offer (think here of “money to support our ever more strained budgets”), we rarely want them to join us.

The folks I know in this group are often genuinely interested in Jesus. But the church – at least as we currently do it – is culturally distant from them. They feel like they don’t fit in. I think most of our folk would be happy to have them here, but I don’t think we’re willing to make many changes to accommodate them.

One tactic we keep talking about is what is popularly called “contemporary style worship.” In conversation with Dave Herman last week, we observed that neither of us had experienced much in the way of United Methodist “contemporary worship” that felt more recent (culturally speaking) than the 1970s. I suppose this is to be expected, since most of us in leadership have been so immersed in church culture for so long that we’re not open to any other ways of doing things.

But I find it curious for a couple of reasons. On the one hand, in our church, and in many others, there is at least an undercurrent of resistance to “contemporary worship.” One of the complaints I’ve heard is a fear that it will steal folks away from the already existing services. Yet on the other hand, we design our new services to so they’ll be attractive to the people we already have. Do you see the irony here?

My idea is to design a worship service that our current people don’t like, yet is culturally relevant to the people who are not now here. After all, we’ve already reached the people who are here (except maybe the younger generation who come as captives of their parents, who will leave us as soon as they can – but they don’t get a say in what we do anyway). If we do something our current folks like, we’re missing the boat.

So how do we do this? I think that designing a worship service for outsiders will require that the design team be dominated by those living on (or very close to) the borders, folks who are following Jesus, but not at the center of church life, folks who still have at least one foot in the world. These folks will have significant relationships with outsiders (unlike most of the rest of us) and have Jesus working through them to draw people in.

February 26, 2009

Discipleship Goals #2

Filed under: Culture,Five Practices,Ministry,Spirituality,Uncategorized,Worship — rheyduck @ 4:01 pm

It’s easy to center the act of disciple making on what we do with individuals. But if all we do in our disciple making is work with individuals, we’re missing both the model of Jesus and what we see in the rest of the New Testament. There we discover not only an enterprise dedicated to producing certain kinds of people, but also one dedicated to producing a people, a particular kind of community.

The aspect of discipleship I’m looking at in this post, worship, is a characteristic predicated of both individuals and congregations. While we moderns tend to think any Christian practice works just fine practiced by individuals, worship seems to be normally practiced in community. While practiced in community, however, the individuals do have particular responsibilities. The characteristics of disciples in worship that I list below are mixed. Some are characteristics of the individual maturing in Christ, some are characteristics of the community maturing in Christ.

  1. Disciples sing with understanding. Singing with understanding requires education. Disciples will need at least a minimal education in the culture’s ways of doing music. Of course, when worshiping with large numbers, those of us who are more obtuse in this area can be drowned out by others. Disciples will also need to learn to attend to the words of the hymns we sing. Some of the language originates in another culture or time and will seem foreign. It will take work to understand, but that work is worthwhile.
  2. Disciples sing with enthusiasm. Consider this line from my seminary fight song: “My chains fell off, my heart was free, I rose, went forth, and followed thee.” If you understand the meaning of those words and have had the basic Christian experience of forgiveness in Christ, I don’t see how you could sing with less than enthusiasm, much less stand by doing nothing. Is it that people don’t understand these words? Or is it that they haven’t had the experience? (See part 1)
  3. Disciples experience the presence of God. Corporate worship, while a social gathering, is more than a social gathering. It’s a time to meet God. Part of dicipleship is growing in our sensitivity to the presence of God.
  4. The church is characterized by Spirit filled & led worship. Worship is not just disciples doing their own thing – even if that thing is spiritual. True Christian worship is worship “in spirit and in truth.” We respond to the Spirit through the Spirit’s work in us.
  5. Disciples seek to have a worship service where the presence of God is so obvious that pre-Christians in attendance are impacted and led to ask questions. I sure wish I could make this happen. I can’t make this happen. But I do want these things to happen whenever we gather. First, I want our life together to be such that people who are not yet followers of Jesus show up. Second, I want those folks to be able to sense more than just a bunch of Christians doing Christian things. I want them to sense God. Third, I want them to respond to God. Fourth, and this shades into a future post, I want the disciples present to be equipped and ready to answer their questions and point people to Jesus.
  6. Disciples value a diversity of worship opportunities to enable us to reach the people of our area. Worship is primarily about God. God’s glory and honor are the first consideration. That said, I don’t see the New Testament perspective on worship stifling innovation and cultural adaptation in worship. God made us creative people. As our creative dimension is progressively made over into the image of Jesus, I want that creativity to be put to use in worship. While worship is primarily about God, it is also public worship. We are open to outsiders. In fact, in most of our American churches, Sunday morning worship is the primary place preChristians encounter disciples as disciples. I want the community of disciples to be open to expressing its worship in cultural forms that are close enough to our host community that they can make some sense of what we’re doing – even if it is only enough sense to be offended by the message of the cross.
  7. Disciples want to see lives transformed through the Spirit’s action in our worship services. My life has been transformed in the context of worship. When we open ourselves to the work of the Spirit in worship, we give the Spirit freedom to reach into our lives and do the work of pruning, cleansing, healing, and setting free. We need that – more than we need to know that we exactly followed the bulletin or perfectly performed our assigned role.

May 27, 2008

Singing with all your heart

Filed under: Texas Annual Conference,Worship,Youth Ministry — rheyduck @ 2:00 am

I could only understand a few of their words. Sure, part of my lack of understanding was that most of their songs were in French. But my poor hearing did the rest.

Though I could understand few of their words, I understood their message clearly, as they praised God and led us in worship. When I listen to and watch the Chorale d’Elite Internationale (of the United Methodist Church of Ivory Coast), I understand plainly why so many of our young people at church say our music is boring.

Many of our hymn aren’t boring. They have awesome theology – just listen to the words. But if you don’t understand the words – and I don’t think the lack of understanding comes from them not being in English or sung to English-speakers – the awesome theology is just gibberish. Even a Ralph Vaughn Williams tune won’t help with that crowd.

When we sing those songs with their awesome theology, we just stand there. No bodily movement. Some of us don’t even move our mouths. We just stand there like statues. I don’t know how people can understand what we sing and do nothing.

But I’m not talking about us. The Ivorians, they sing and they move. All of them so full of joy, not a speck of boredom anywhere. I sure wish my kids could be here for the experience – my own kids and my church kids. A CD or even a DVD would be no substitute for being there live.

November 24, 2007

Back to the first millennium

Filed under: Worship — rheyduck @ 2:39 am

Is it possible that legitimate Christian creativity in the area of worship ended a millennium ago?

I don’t think so.

June 14, 2007

Willow Creek Arts Conference

Filed under: Current events,Leadership,Ministry,Worship — rheyduck @ 3:36 pm

I’m a pastor of a small town church in the middle of nowhere (as far as conferences go). While I see dozens of theology, philosophy, ministry and leadership conferences I’d like to attend, my budget – time and money – allows me to attend very few. I’m sure many others (most?) are in the same position.

As a work-around, I’m going to try collecting blog reports from conferences that sound interesting to me. This first report, from the Willow Creek Arts Conference, is an area of weakness for me. Everyone in my family is more talented in the arts than I am. The best I can do is play a CD. (I can draw stick figures that are sometimes recognizable as depicting humans.)

Here are the reports I see this morning:

Dan Kimball of Vintage Faith Church, a presenter at the conference, reflects arriving at the Conference and some Black Converse shoes.

Paul as Cries of the Heart has a series of posts and photos. (The link is to the first of his posts – he has several.)

Sounds, Lights, Video: Technical Arts in the Church has a series of posts also. Here’s the part 1, part 2, part 3, & Part 4.

Here’s the first in Tim Steven’s series of posts. he continues here and here and here.

I’ll add more as I discover them.

Friday Morning Updates:

The Epic Beat has arrived at Willow Creek. The first post deals more with personal experience of the conference than any content of presentations.

I just found that there is an official blog done by the Willow Creek folks. Check it out.

Final Updates:

Maggie offers a personal summary at Magnanimity.

The AV Club has started posting (first is here) and plans to continue all week.

Tim Corder has also begun posting on the conference, as has Ryan D.

There are several posts at In the silence of my yearned-for-wholeness.

Chris Ridgeway  offers a photo album.

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